**** Update: - There's a less sweary version here - I wrote a Perl module that attempts to fix bad quoting and superciting here - if you're forced to use Outlook or OE then have a look at these Outlook & Outlook Express - And this forces reading of Outlook mail in plain text. - This blocks image in HTML mail **** > > P.S. Please reply _below_ original posts. Please. I'm asking you nicely. > Why since that is alien to most email programs? No, it's alien to shite email programs. Even Outlook has an option somewhere to quote underneath. It's actually an RFC, RFC 1855 (which is really FYI28) http://rf.cx/rfc1855.html - If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just enough text of the original to give a context. This will make sure readers understand when they start to read your response. Since NetNews, especially, is proliferated by distributing the postings from one host to another, it is possible to see a response to a message before seeing the original. Giving context helps everyone. But do not include the entire original! The thing is because it's an RFC and not therefore an actual ISO stanadrd Microsoft trampled all over it despite the fact that people had been happily conforming to RFCs for years. Of course now you get a hundred and one marketing fucks and AOL pissants who think they know better than years of collective experience. Want a good reason to quote underneath. Apart from the reasons given in the RFC above I can give you several. I can demonstrate it much better than explaining ... > > > > > > > who works on this forum? > > > > > anyone?? > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 > > > Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > Start an Email List For Free at Topica. http://www.topica.com/register > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 > > > Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 > > > Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ___________________________________________________________ > T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 > Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics I've snipped out all the emails that came before it. In that particular email (which was JollyBoy's "100%" email a few minutes ago) there were 445 words and 85 lines of quoting. There were 44 words over 9 lines of actual content. How much fucking wasted bandwidth? And what the fuck was the point of quoting all the previous emails in the thread. Just quote the most immediate one. If I want to go further back up the thread I'll just look at old emails. And even if you did want to quote all the previous emails then what was the point of quoting all the fucking Topica sigs. And what if you want to reply to specific points in a mail. With your system I have to keep scrolling down to the bottom of the mail and then back up again. You may notice that if I ever reply to everything I only ever quote the relevant lines which aren't, except under exceptional circumstances, more than 3 lines long. If I want to quote multiple points I split them up into seperate quote, reply paragraphs. A fuck of a lot easier to read than your system. The problem is that there are too many fucking lazy people around who can't be arsed to chop off the bits of a reply that they don't need but, by logical extension, these same people are definitley too fucking lazy to scroll down and chop off stuff after the email they've just written so they just fire it off and clog my harddrive with megs and megs of crap which I never needed. It's the same people who think that a joke (if that's what they are) is still going to be funny after it's been forwarded five hundred times by similar Nathan Barley or middle management types and has a an impenetrable amount of forward-ing cruft and reply marks attached to it. See these ... http://email.about.com/internet/email/library/weekly/aa011000b.htm http://www.iwillfollow.com/email.htm (See "Quotes") for more arguments. I can't be arsed to argue any more since it'll only get ignored by people who will do the online equivalent of patting me on the head and saying "there there, calm down little boy, no need to get so angry, here have a sweetie, everything will be better now that Microsoft run the Internet" Angry enough for you?